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Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Our next speaker is a child of survivors
who has written a book on HOW TO DOCUMENT VICTIMS AND LOCATE SURVIVORS OF THE
HOLOCAUST. Gary Mokotoff has documented over 200 members of his family who
perished in the Holocaust. Most people seem to think it is impossible to learn
about their lost families. Gary proves that this is not true.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
As
stated before, you combat indifference with education,
Can you make people care? That's another story
King of Insanity
(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
What are we discussing
ANadine
(ANadine): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
How do we combat
indifference? Can we? How can we make people care?
ungvar
(Always remember . . . Always): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:05PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I think there must be a balance. When anyone's adgenda is overt destruction of
the bodies and souls of others, it is legitimate for societies to set limits via
laws. The problem is knowing where to draw the line over which rhetoric and
action must not cross.
geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:06PM
PDT (-0700 GMT)
"Can you make people care?" Of course. Most of the people
in America belong to some ethnic group that has been bitterly persecuted at some
time in the past. They will respond strongly if proof of an injustice committed
is put before them.
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
4:08PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey Korn, here's chuck, been lost for an hour
VIPERMAN3 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
HELLO ALL WOULD ANY ONE LIKE TO HERE THE GRANDPARENTS STORIES OF THE HOLCOST
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Not
receiving over
ungvar (Always remember . . . Always): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Perhaps the media could serve to
highlight the heroes, righteous individuals, who speak out and say no to hate and
destruction. If those that speak out are "desirable models" that the majority of
folks could identify with and if they show their, heroism, or at least
anti-hatred beliefs, it may serve as a model for others to emultate.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:10PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hi Chuck. Tried to call you and the
line was busy so I figured you were trying to get in. We've been having a good
discussion about whether to debate deniers or not, whether to control hate groups
or not. Why don't you share you're opinions?
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Of
course we must debat them . Can't control hate groups. But let them know that we
know they lie a lot
mumm (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:15PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
hello
geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:15PM
PDT (-0700 GMT)
The media is afraid to have opinions very much different
from those of the average American. Do not put your trust in the media.
Besides, it is we the people who are truly to blame. Peter Jennings can not be
expected to bring around an entire nation.
CVFchuckf (): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 4:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Should these nuts just be ignored? Not
by me!
Cschmidt (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
4:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I thought one of the accepted ways of dealing with
them is to simply ignore them.
DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:17PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
amen to that geopolit
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:17PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Ungvar, your message keeps repeating.
You may have to delete your old message and send a new one.
Nadine, good to see you.
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
4:17PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Ungvar I agree with you. The people have to hear much
more about those who uphold democratic priciples and are against Neo_nazis and
other extreme right-wing ideoligies. There are all sorts of coalitions being
built to that effect. But who is going to educate THE MEDIA to do not jus what
profitable i.e the sensational but to do "the right thing."
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 4:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
geopolit, I don't think the media is afraid, they
just have time to do a good job. PBS is where its at.
ungvar
(Always remember . . . Always): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I think there must be a balance. When anyone's adgenda is overt destruction of
the bodies and souls of others, it is legitimate for societies to set limits via
laws. The problem is knowing where to draw the line over which rhetoric and
action must not cross.
Gary Mokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
4:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Good evening, folks!
savta (savta):
. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
G'day from Australia. I prefer
not to debate with deniers,
however they must be constantly challenged. For example we
discovered that David Irving had planted some of his nasty
stuff on an Australian Library Bulletin Board, that same
Board soon had an article describing the construction of the
Gas Chambers!
Sorry I probably won't have time to participate again. Good
luck with the project
Shalom
Savta
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
4:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
People have to get involved, just like anything else,
leave to others, nothing happens
geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 4:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Well, Jutka, I don't think the media is all bad.
Almost everything that I, for instance, know about the Holocaust, I learned from
reading what journalists or scholars wrote about it. And I certainly am not
indifferent to the Holocaust.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hi Gary. See you got in. Welcome.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Why
not Peter Jennings? There was a time when Walter Cronkite was more believed than
the president. No chuck has a good point. Let the groups or individuals out
there know that WE know.
ANadine
(ANadine): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yikes! We all seem
to be repeating. At least it repeated a valid point! :)
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I spoke to a group at a Synagog last night 50-60- people, they all felt
everyone who cares must keep getting the word out. The Nazis did it so I'm
proving they did it.
ungvar (Always remember . . . Always): . .
. . Tue, Apr 16, 4:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I hope that my messages are no
longer repeating. If they are, please advise.
DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:24PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
after posting amd if it iterupts and returns delete post as
mentioned earlier
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:25PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
Gary, I'm very curious as to how you were able to get so much
info on you family.
My wife has been trying for years with VERY little results.
geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Very well, ELF, but
what do we know? How many people have taken the time, for instance, to really
read John Loftus' books thoroughly? How many Jews, even, have really read Loftus
thoroughly? If we are not well-educated, how can we educate others?
DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 4:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
post and don't force it let the post come
itself
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:27PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
I am a survivor who doesn't even know the birth-year of my parents or
the city or town they were born in. So how do I begin my search?
ANadine
(ANadine): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:28PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Jennings is not
Cronkite. Society today views journalists as having little integrity. Those
days are gone.
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
4:31PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary - can you guide me where I might find people
alive today who were at
Mauthausen and at Foehrenwald DP camp near Munich. I am hoping to find people
who knew the parents of Betty personally - we are searching for her mother.
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:31PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
On
the 'net go to alt. revisionism if you want to really see hate and bigotry.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary
Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Some hints to
chatting...Try setting your Refresh Rate at about 30. This means it will capture
new messages every 30 seconds.
When you see some messages you want to read and possibly respond to, hit PAUSE.
Also hit PAUSE before you begin typing your message.
If your message stays in the chat box after you successfully send it, delete it
or it will be resent.
You can always hit Reload (in Netscape) to Refresh on demand. Other browsers
probably have a similar feature.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 4:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Well, geo, I for one have'nt had the chance to
read his book, yet, however does that mean I'm any less educated about what's
going on?
No, I dont think so. I serve in the US Navy right now, and my shipmates always
ask me about the very things we've been talking about.
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:33PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Simon Wiesenthal was there, contact his office in Vienna
ungvar
(Always remember . . . Always): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:34PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I must go. I hope to rejoin later on. Gary, I enjoy your postings on Jewish
Gen.
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:34PM
PDT (-0700 GMT)
Of course the media is not all bad. That's not what I meant.
They do talk about the Holocaust. What I did mean is that I wish they would
report as much about those who oppose hate and hatred as they do about the haters
and hate-mongers.
geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:35PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Chuck, I believe that almost everyone in America knows what the Nazis did.
However, there are a sizable minority of people who think that what the Nazis did
was, at least, "understandable". Because they sympathize with the Nazis' goals
(stamping out communism, etc.), they try to give the Nazis an alibi. In the same
way, a wife would alibi for her husband that "He didn't kill the policeman, he
was at home with me at the time the murder was committed."
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:36PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
How's it going,
Joey?
Joey Korn (A
Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:36PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hope to see
you later ungvar. I think Gary is still trying to get a good connection.
Cschmidt (): .
. . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Jutka, I agree. We had a program
with an actual interview with a member of a nearby hategroup--given ample time
during prime hours.
PianoHT (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:38PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
I don't mean to but in, but what are we talking about?
PianoHT (): . . . . Tue,
Apr 16, 4:39PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
hello?
Dixie Rose (): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 4:39PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I don't see any special theme running
through here so could I ask a question?
CVFchuckf (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:40PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
sorry, I don't agree everyone knows what
the Nazis did.
Joey
Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:40PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
It's good Chuck. Finally got this chat session working fairly smoothly. I
think we're all trying to figure it out.
BTW, everyone, Chuck is a liberator. He was a pilot during the war and works
hard to get his message out.
PianoHT (): . . . . Tue,
Apr 16, 4:41PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
sure.
CVFchuckf (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:42PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thge theme is the Holocaust
Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I
know the theme is the Holocaust - what I meant was everyone seemed to be talking
about different things so could I throw a question out to the group?
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:45PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Today we commemorate the Shoah. Let's talk about those who perished. I want to
mention a few Women of Valor to start with. Those who died while fighting: Zenia
Melcki of Vilna. Sonia Madeysker also of Vilna. Evelyn Kahn, Vilna.Hannah Szenesh
and her mother Katherine Szenes, Budapest and Palestine. Susan Beer of Toplcany,
Czech. Anna Heilman, Warsaw. Estusia Wajcblum. Rose Meth, Zator, Poland. This
it for now. You know here in Canada that is what we do. Read THY names on Yom
HaShoah.
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:46PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
Shoot, Rose
Joey
Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:46PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sure Dixie, go right ahead. Our next speaker begins in 15 minutes. Then we
will be discussing how to document victims and locate survivors of the
Holocaust.
mumm (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:48PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I need to ask what happened to John Loftus?
staci-p (): .
. . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:49PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hi I'm 12.Is any1 here relatives
of survivors<
staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:50PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
Go ahead Dixie
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:50PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sure Dixie, go right ahead. Our next
speaker begins in 15 minutes. Then we will be discussing how to document victims
and locate survivors of the Holocaust.
DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:53PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
is anyone here?
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 4:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
weird outfit, this. Dixie lets hear your
question
Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:53PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
I would agree with Jutka - and like to read a few names myself - Alta
and Pini Fink and their young sons, David and Jude, Yeheskal Rotstein, Rosa
Rotstein and her family, Menia Amsterdamski - all of Kalwarija, Lithuania.
staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yea
people are here dink
Hickchick (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:53PM
PDT (-0700 GMT)
My favorite quote. "Rage against the dying of the light.
There is hope." -Dylan Thomas. I think that says it all. A lot of people didn't
loose their hope throught this ordeal.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue,
Apr 16, 4:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sorry, I was out of it for a while. My son
needed help with his home work.
staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hickchick I heard that on Dangerous Minds
Hickchick (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:56PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Staci-p, you are right. It is from a
poem. I saw it on the end of a video.
GMokotoff (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:56PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hopefully, I am back on
Joey Korn (A Cybrary
Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:56PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
mumm, John Loftus
was here for the first hour. He had a speech to give and had to leave. Gary
Mokotoff is trying to connect right now.
Jutka (Survivor): . .
. . Tue, Apr 16, 4:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Roza Robota / Regina Saperstein /
Genia Fischer/ Estusia Wajcblum. On Oct. 7, 1994 they blew up one of the
crematoria in Auschwitz_Birkenau. Later they were all caught and hung. Blessed
be their memories.
Hickchick (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:58PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Jutka, may your heart heal and feel the lovve of the people here.
Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:58PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
My
question - I attended a conference on the Holocaust the last few days - I came
away with the feeling we are being asked to forgive and forget. Is that just me
or is that a general theme lately?
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue,
Apr 16, 4:58PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
millions died, don't forget them
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey - as Gary is about to come on line - are you storing
information which we could retrieve at a later stage?
I meand addresses - hints - suggestions which may come up in the discussion.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary,
did you get my first question by any chance?
writething (Michael Dunn): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I managed to make it back online, some
info on our second speaker,
Gary Mokotoff, who will be here from 8-9 PM EST. Gary Mokotoff is author of "How
to Document Victims and Locate Survivors of the Holocaust" (Teaneck: New Jersey,
Avotaynu, 1995), the only book designed to help people locate information about
relatives and friends who were caught up in the Holocaust. He is the past
president of the Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies and publisher of
Avotaynu, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy. Mokotoff commented that
"even today, 50 years after the Holocaust, people are still trying to determine
the fate of loved ones. Few realize that there is a wealth of information
available; you just have to know where to find it."
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Forgive and forget. NEVER!!!
Hickchick (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Don't ever forget. There memories are all that
survive. how could you forgive? I have a very forgiving heart, but not for
this.
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:00PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
Gisi Fleischman / Haika Grossman / Rozka Korcak-Marle / Zivia Lubetkin
/Haviva Reik / Franceska Mann/ . Please add your names, so we can collectively
all remember their names.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:01PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Welcome Gary.
Gary Mokotoff is our next speaker. He is author of "How to Document Victims and
Locate Survivors of
the Holocaust" (Teaneck: New Jersey, Avotaynu, 1995), the only book
designed to help people locate information about relatives and friends who
were caught up in the Holocaust. He is the past president of the
Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies and publisher of Avotaynu, the
International Review of Jewish Genealogy. Mokotoff commented that "even
today, 50 years after the Holocaust, people are still trying to determine
the fate of loved ones. Few realize that there is a wealth of information
available; you just have to know where to find it."
Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:02PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
You saw my list of family - those I will never know - I can't forgive or
forget and wonder why there is such a movement.
CVFchuckf ():
. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:02PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
We have to keep talking about
it, teaching about it. Never let the issue die
Jutka
(Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:02PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Is Gary on now?
Joey Korn (A Cybrary
Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, are you still
with us.
Elf, why don't you repeat your question?
Hickchick (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
They will truly die when the names are
not spoken and the terriable tragity is not taught.
CVFchuckf
(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
We have to keep talking
about it, teaching about it. Never let the issue die
ELF5808
(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey, did this
guy,"thrascan" ever leave? I still have him blocked.
writething (Michael Dunn): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hi David, I'm saving all of the talk
entered here and will post a Web page next month at the Cybrary with the entire
dialogue online.
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, as a survivor I don't even know my parents's birth year. Not even
sure of their bithplaces in Hungary. So how do I start?
DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:04PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
As a non Jew of German descent I was was involve thru my parents
at our local German Club, my grandparents came over at the turn of the century.
I asked some of the German wahrmach soldiers if there were people that did not
know what was going on. They would say with some distain "everyone knew what
was going on"!
As we were talking about media earlier...I read that it couldn't happen again
because mass media would not let it because the media would produce mass public
outcry. But look at Cambodia , Bosnia, Rowanda etc. One sure wonders no?
Hickchick (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:05PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
*gane*
staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:06PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Jutka I Have to do a paper on Anne Frank Did any1 konow any relatives of
hers?
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:06PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
Here in Toronto, I tried the Mormons' archives but without the exact
information needed I could find: zilch.
Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:07PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
But Dink - the difference between the Holocaust and
Bosnia, Cambodia, etc. - is the systematic destruction of a people considered
nonhuman - an entire people - not for land or power or food - just because of who
we are.
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Where is Gary with the anticipated answers?
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary received you question, Jutka, and
is trying to respond. Thanks for your patience.
DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:10PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
DIXIE ROSE I understand that and please nop offense. My only
point is that genocide still can happen anywhere and it cannot be neglected.
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:10PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
The
deniers are working very hard to dis-prove the Holocaust ever happened.
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:10PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Regarding Hungarian research, if you do not know where your parents were born,
write to Dr. Gaby Bar Shakad; Yad Vashem; Jerusalem
Israel. Dr. Bar Shaked is the world's expert on the Hungarian
aspect of the Holocaust. He will be able to help you determine
your parents' ancestral town.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Oops! forgot to pause. As I was saying, My wife is
trying to locate her lost family. She has been trying for years through all the
"usual" channels.
Is ther any thing more you can suggest?
Lovecam (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Dixie I understand your statement, but I think who
people are has alot to do with it. Not only land or power. The holocaust was also
about power and land
Lovecam (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:13PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Dixie I understand your statement, but I think who
people are has alot to do with it. Not only land or power. The holocaust was also
about power and land
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:13PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
While we wait for Gary, let's remember more names.
Zofia Yamaika / Mala Zimetbaum / Zivia Lubetkin /Gertrud Kolmar.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:14PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Some
of the avenues she tried, the Red Cross, took over 3 years.
there has got to be a better way.
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue,
Apr 16, 5:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Therer are many records of Hungarian victims
and survivors. Invariably the
German records asked "where were you born." If Dr. Bar Shakad
can find records of them, you will know their ancestral town.
Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Lovecam - no offense, but where the Jews were
concerned it was not about land or power - that came into play where the Russians
and Poles were concerned.
CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
the Holocaust is unique
mumm (): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 5:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, I would like to know how to
trace relatives that were lost in Vilna, Poland. Thanks.
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:17PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Therer are many records of Hungarian victims and
survivors. Invariably the
German records asked "where were you born." If Dr. Bar Shakad
can find records of them, you will know their ancestral town.
staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
bye have to eat
mumm (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, I would like to
know how to trace relatives that were lost in Vilna, Poland. Thanks.
Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thank you very much Gary. I made a hard copy of your suggestion and I shall
follow it up. Let's hope that Yad Vashem will be receptive to my question.
Previous dealings with them left me at best: frustrated. But, to you many
thanks.
writething (Michael Dunn): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey, if Gary can email his thoughts,
either I or you can
post it to help out. California's phone system are hurting; if he's in
there, it may be tough for a little while.
David Lewin
(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Staci - there is a new
British documentary about Anne Frank which won an Oscar last month. You could try
contacting the BBC - they are on the World Wide Web.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Is Gary still with
us?
DINK_ (lurking): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:21PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thank you everyone. The session was
interesting and informative. I believe you have a new medium that you can use
to reach out to others. Thanks again. Sincerely, DINK
Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:21PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary - My great grandmother's name was given on my
grandfather's death certificate as Matulsky - unfortunately, no one know if that
was her maiden name or first married name. I can find no record of the name
anywhere in the area she was supposed to have lived. I have even tried
variations of it - what next?
DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:22PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
Good night.
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 5:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary - have you any addresses to locate people
still alive who were at
a. Mauthausen
b. Foehrenwald DP camp.
An earlier suggestion was to contact Simon Wiesenthal, which I will do
tomorrow.
Dixie
Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary - I have
to run - pick my daughter up at scouts - will be back in fifteen minutes or so -
please wait until I get back to answer my question. Thanks.
Lovecam (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
What is going on with this system?
Everone's statements occurred 4 times. Dixie, Hitler wanted power over the human
race. And he wanted everyone to be blonde and have blue eyes.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 5:25PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary still can't connect. He will
answer questions through me.
The Mormons have no Holocaust related information except the 1938 German Census
of non-aryans (Jews).
Elf, most of the records that the Red Cross searched for you are available at Yad
Vashem Archives in Jerusalem known as the "Arolesen records".
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Is Gary still with
us?
Lovecam ():
. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Stuart? My family has a Reiter
in it.
mumm (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:28PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
David, do you have the www site for the
BBC?
Joey Korn (A
Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:28PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary says
these Arolsen records are one of the major sources of information about
individuals. There are over 45 million entries. If you are looking for a
survivors of Mauthausen for instance, it may show what refugee camp he was in and
even which country he went to.
David Lewin (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
mumm - and any one else - I dare not
make a search - connection is too sporadic and I want to stay here.
please send me an e-mail which will give me your address - I will then send you
the details you want.
mine is davidlewin@easynet.co.uk
the bbc address might be button but
I am not certain right now.
Joey Korn (For Gary
Mokotoff): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:33PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary says that if
any of you do not get satisfactory answers to your questions, write him at
garymokotoff@avotaynu.com
I will continue posting his answers.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue,
Apr 16, 5:34PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thanks Joey, My wife has tried Yad Vashem,
and Arolesen. Actually I wished she were here, she went to a Yom Hashoah
presentation.
The names of her family are difficult to locate, even in Vilna, (her family's
origin). The best she has achieved, is when a lady from
our town went to Vilna and got info for her, and hand writen at that. She can't
seem to make headway in locating any potential survivors.
Joey Korn (For Gary Mokotoff): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:35PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary says that if anyone is having
problems with the American Red Cross, if they refuse to accept your inquiry or
you have an inquiry pending that is taking more than a year, write to him. He
can help you get action.
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:38PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sorry - the correct address for the BBC is button
Marine1 (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:38PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
HI,folks. Is this the Holocaust
Convention thing?
Joey
Korn (For Gary Mokotoff): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:38PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
There are recently discovered Vilna Ghetto records, but all that it's going
to prove is that people were in the ghetto during that time period.
To Gary's knowledge, there are no deportation records from the Vilna ghetto.
Have you tried Pages of Testimony at Yad Vashem?
Joey Korn (For Gary Mokotoff): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:41PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yes Marine1. Welcome. Gary Mokotoff is
our speaker for 20 more minutes. He specializes in tracing relatives lost in the
Holocaust.
writething (Michael Dunn): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:42PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Could Gary make a suggestion on this
question submitted to the Cybrary?
"I am looking for information and facts on the execution of 9 people in North
Holland (Steenwijk).
This execution took place on the 13th of October 1944. One of these man was my
father, Emanuel Verveer age 35 year, Construction Engineer and Architect, who was
engaged by the Allies to regather data on the so-called Ijsel-linie. Only
recently we received some information on
the situation and activities of the SS, in that area in those days near the end
of the war in Holland.
Even-though, my father was executed together with the others, all were local
people and my father was not. We (my brothers and I) would like to know: what
caused his arrest and who betrayed him,
what happened to the betrayer (local NSB ?) after the war, who operated my
father, and why was the Ijsel-linie never used. If there is more information on
these subjects, we very appreciate
to know where and how to find them. email_addr: [A HREF="button
mikemesh (Mike Mesh):
. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:43PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary: Is it true that the
International Tracing Service in Arolsen gives genealogical
searches lowest priority (I've had a request in for 3+ years). And there's a
rumor they're
going out of business. True? If so, what will happen to their records?
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sorry - the correct address for the BBC is button
Marine1 (): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Interesting. I just saw it featured and
thought I'd drop by. I know almost next to nothing about the Holocaust,so....
GMokotoff
(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:45PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
The best starting point for
tracing people are the International Tracing Service (ITS) records
in Arolsen, Germany. There are more than 45 million records. They can be
accessed thru the Red Cross in your country. If you are in the
U.S., the American Red Cross has made a commitment to me that
no inquiry will be turned down and no inquiry will take more than 9 months.
A duplicate copy of these records thru 1955 exist at Yad Vashem on microfilm.
UWash (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:45PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I came
to learn. Sorry to be late. Can one still find relatives 50 years later? If
yes, exactly how?
mumm (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:47PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
Does Yad Vashem have a web page or would I have to go thru
Wiesenthal?
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 5:48PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
There are rumors that the ITS records might be
turned over to
the Jewish community in Germany but some groups are protesting
that move, if it planned. Yad Vashem, for example, would be interested
in assuming responsibilty for those records.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:48PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
We've tried the pages of testimony, nothing. It's like her family just did'nt
exist.
is'nt ther anything else we can try???
Marine1 (): . . . . Tue,
Apr 16, 5:49PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Well,I'll sign off. I don't want to disturb
people who actually have questions......*gone*
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 5:49PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
No Red Cross or the ITS will honor a genelaogical
inquiry. It
must be a genuine request for information about a relative,
no matter how related. They have too many inquiries for relatives
to honor genealogical inquiries.
Marmor (Marmor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:50PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey Korn (For Gary Mokotoff): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 5:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Mike, Gary didn't see your post. Could
you repost?
Marmor (Marmor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
5:52PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hello,
I have been trying to get in for a long time.
amcha (John Lemberger,AMCHA): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 5:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Friends,
I have woken up to join you in this uniqe venture. Yom Hashoa is over now in
Israel, and I thought you might want to know how it went this year.
Dixie Rose (): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 5:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I'm back - Does one have to go through
the American Red Cross now? The first time I tried, I went to Arolsen. It took
a few months, and while they found nothing on most of my family, they did find
records of my one cousin's death at Dachau. With all the new records sufacing, I
would like to try again.
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Ok, here's the really real real BBC address: button
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 5:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Regarding the Holland inquiry, write to The
Jewish genealogical society in Holland.
They will put you in contact with some organization there that
can help you. Their address is: Nederlandse Kring voor Joodse Genealogie; da
Costalaan 21;
3743 HT Baarn, Holland. I know the Dutch government is making
a conscientious effort to determine what happened to
individuals during the Holocaust and is reconstructing events
from captued German records.
Joey Korn (A
Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Welcome
Marmor and John. The posting is slow, but once you get used to it, it does work.
I'll post some hints again soon to make things easier.
ELF5808 (): .
. . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, as a last resort, when all
else fails what more can one do to find info about missing relatives, in
Vilna.
GMokotoff
(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:00PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
To determine what records
exist at Yad Vashem, try to locate in your area a
series of books called "Guide to the Unpublished Material of the
Holocaust." It list by town or country what documents they have
about events durng that period.
The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum archives and library is
accessible on the Web at button From
this home page,
it will lead you to their on-line search system that will
tell you if they have records of interest to you.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary
Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:00PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
John, we would be
very interested to hear about how it went in Israel. Gary's session officially
ends about now. It will be an open chat on Holocaust issues until Konnilyn Feig
begins in one hour.
To the group, Gary will stay with us a while to answer any questions you may have
about tracing family.
BChesler
(BChesler): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, My cousin was
able to find out that our grandmother perished in Theresienstadt. We even have a
copy of the record.
One of her daughters was living with her. How would I go about getting info?
Jutka (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:05PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Marine1, Why don't you visit the Holocaust Museum In Washington, if you live
realatively close. You will learn what it was all about plus some more. It will
be worth your while and time I assure you.]
GMokotoff
(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:08PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Regarding ELF's inquiry
about Vilna, I am not sure where Vilna residents
were deported to, but if it was Auschwitz, the Auschwitz Archives has records
of may people who survived the selection. Write to them at:
Panstwowe Muzeum; POB 32-603; Oswiecim #5, Poland
BChesler
(BChesler): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:08PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
My question is, how
would I get info about the daughter, my aunt.
We know nothing about what happened to her.
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 6:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
To BChesler: There is a "Totenbuch
Theresienstadt." a Death Book for Theresienstadt.
See if the daughter is listed there. But your best bet are the
ITS (Arolsen) records I have mentioned because all the information
in that book, plus any other Theresienstadt records would have
been extracted in to the ITS index of 45 million entries.
Sighet (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
If general questions
are okay, I would like to know about the presence of all the Hate Sites and
Anti-Semetic Sites on the Web - and if everyone agrees with the Simon Wiesenthal
Center that they should be censored?
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:14PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thanks, for the
info. Do you by any chance have any info for Shtuthoff camp as well?
BChesler (BChesler): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I joined you late, had trouble getting on. How does one access the ITS
records?
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 6:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I am very opposed to censorhsip. One fascinating
anti-Semitic site is in Hawaii
where you can get a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I don't have
their Web address handy, but you should be able to locate them with any Web
search engine such as AltaVista
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 6:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I hope I spelled that right?
amcha (John Lemberger,AMCHA): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 6:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Now that Joey "welcomed" me,I'll
continue (slowly).
This year the war in Lebanon was fighting the memory for a place in our
consciousness. the images of Jews being forced into shelters, leaving Kiryat
Shmona and other towns and villages, katyushas falling and sometimes causing
extensive damage and some serious injuries vied for our attempts to "touch the
memory." Nevertheless, ceremonies were held all over with massive attendance. The
media alost aired all the special programs for this day, and the siren at 10 AM
Tuesday cut the air like a knife and saw Israel coming to a standstill.
GMokotoff
(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
As another general
guideline, contact any Jewish genealogical society
for help in Holocaust research. If you write to rweissjgs@aol.com, you can get
the name and address of the society closest to you.
Sighet ():
. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Another question. This country
was stunned with the movie, Schindler's List. And yet, there have been many
other movies and better ones. Does this mean that every decade we have to
relearn about the Holocaust, that it is never done. I wonder. We do not seem to
have to relearn about the Civil War every ten years. What do you think?
Joey Korn (A Cybrary
Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sighet, general
questions are welcome. Gary Mokotoff's session officially ended at 9:00 EST, but
he has generously agreed to continue answering questions. Our next speaker
begins at 10:00 EDST, in about 40 minutes.
I am also against censorship in the Internet. I feel that the Wiesenthal Center
is wrong in this regard.
Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
6:21PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I hope we relearn about the Holocaust more than every
ten years - I hope we never forget - I hope we never let anyone forget.
amcha (John
Lemberger,AMCHA): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
As I do not
see a response, I'll continue.OK?
Sighet (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 6:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I wish it were a question of never forgetting.
When highschool students in Oakland saw the movie, Schindlers List, they all
broke out laughing in the theatre. Neither they nor their paarents knew about
it. I am asking if you really think the problem is forgetting - or if it is
about ever learning in the first place?
Jutka (): . . . . Tue,
Apr 16, 6:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sighet, In a perfect world we would not have
to do more then say Kaddish over the perished millions and mourn them quietly.
But look at the world today. Dare we forget and dare we not remind the world of
the unimaginable evil human(?)kind is capable of. Maybe it will help. Maybe it
will not. But we have to keep trying and trying and trying.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 6:25PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
John, I did respond and would be very
interested to hear what went on in Israel. We have about 1/2 hour before
Konnilyn Feig's session begins. Please feel free to post anything relevant.
Dixie Rose (): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 6:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I saw a movie at a Holocaust
conference over the weekend on the children of survivors and the children of
Nazis coming together in Israel. Has anyone else seen this? I believe it was
made by the BBC.
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:27PM
PDT (-0700 GMT)
I have a friend who for many years regularly trabvelled by
car from London to Budapest.
When he passed Mauthausen he always broadcast Kaddish and El Male Rachamim over
his
CB radio.
Sighet (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:28PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
In the NYSunday Times Magazine of 2/25,29, there was a long article and
pictures of "The Method of a Neo-Nazi Mogul." It described George Burdi as "an
archetype of the forward-looking neo-Nazi" and bringing it to mainstream America
through his Resistance Records and the Internet. What can we do to counteract
this? What is being done? Should we bother?
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 6:28PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Regarding the inquiry about Stutthof...all roads
lead to the ITS records in
Arolsen, Germany. Every scrap of inromation about individuals, survivors and
victims
has been given to them for placement in their Master Index.
My information shows they have much data about people interned
at Stutthof.
ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:29PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
Well, I got to go... Thank you Gary and John, this was very
educational. Hope there'll be more like this. Gary, My wife and I enjoy
Avotaynu every time we get it.
Take care, and G-d bless.
GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr
16, 6:30PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Well, I must leave now, folks. If you wish, send
me e-mail at
garymokotoff@avotaynu.com. Indicate what searching you have done to date
so I can advise you with either basic sources or more advanced ones.
Sighet (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I
appreciate the need for people to find people, but I thought this session would
be more "pithy." But thanks for trying. I will leave quietly.
BChesler (BChesler): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thank You
Gary. Goodnight
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:33PM
PDT (-0700 GMT)
The BBC programme about children od survivers meeting
children of Nazis was most moving. It took place in Israel under guidance of an
Israeli Psychiatrist. I am sorry, I do not remember his name.
It was remarkable how the children of Nazis were suffering - a real eye opener
for me.
Kel (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:35PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
hello....
Jutka (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:36PM PDT (-0700
GMT)
I believe that censorship would only work if it is based on an
international agreement and all countries would adhere to it.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 6:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hello Kel. Welcome.
amcha (John Lemberger,AMCHA): .
. . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yom Hashoa began for us on Sunday
April 14. Ben Gurion University awarded honorary doctorates to Simon Weisenthal,
Joseph Burg, and Felix Zandman, a survivor and president/founder of Vishay
International. the moving ceremony was highlighted by Zandman's explaining that
he had cried and suffered for years until he testified at a trial of an SS
officer who persecuted him and whom Weisenthal brought to justice. Then at a
reception ath the Austrian ambassador's residence for Weisenthal, cohosted by
AMCHA,Manfred Klafter "awarded" weisenthal with the title of "honrary therapist,"
as his work brought pride and hope to thousands of survivors. Minister of Health,
Dr. Ephraim Sneh, who is also a reserve general took time from explaining the war
in lebanon on Israeli media to visit our branch in Ramat Gan before Yom Hashoa.
He heard survivors tell how they saw our centers a sa second home, and how
AMCHA's services brought them out of their depression and gave them a reason to
continue living. When Yom Hashoa began, right after the ceremony at Yad Vashem
Israeli TV broadcast our phone numbers and our hotlines were open. Hundreds
called or attended our programs and activities in our branches in Ramat Gan,
Jerusalem, Haifa, Beersheba, and Tel Aviv. I will pause here. If you want me to
add a little more, let me know.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 6:40PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary menioned the Web site earlier
containing a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Here is some info on
it.
button ---here
you will find not only a complete copy, but also an introduction and four
appendices "proving" the truth of this forgery as well as the purported
existence of a conspiracy by the Jews and their accomplices in trying to
suppress this "truth."
Jutka (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:41PM
PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yes, Yom Hashoah is remembrance. Not just for the past but
also for the future. "Never Again" pertains to the present and future.
Dixie Rose (): . . .
. Tue, Apr 16, 6:41PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
David, I agree they were suffering and
it was an eyeopener for me where some of the people were concerned. I very much
felt the pain of Martin Bormann's son - more than I thought I could. However, I
felt the pain some of them felt seemed to come across as pain from having lost
the war - and being forced to face things afterward. I suppose that could be
because we only saw bits and pieces of two weeks in their lives.
Blaze5 (Shalom): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 6:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hello everyone. I'm here to learn all I
can and speak about what I know. I feel a special bond with everyone included in
the Holocaust because (and this may sound a little strange) but I believe that I
am a reincarnated Jewish person that died in the Holocaust. I hope to confirm my
beliefs here.
David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:45PM PDT
(-0700 GMT)
To me it was a manifestation of the sinns of the fathers being
visited on the next generation.
Blaze5 (Shalom): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 6:45PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hello everyone. I'm here to learn all I
can and speak about what I know. I feel a special bond with everyone included in
the Holocaust because (and this may sound a little strange) but I believe that I
am a reincarnated Jewish person that died in the Holocaust. I hope to confirm my
beliefs here.
Blaze5 (Shalom): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 6:47PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
pardon me for that last double
chat..please go on..
Joey
Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:47PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
John, I'm sure it was a moving experience, especially the response you get
from survivors about how they feel about your centers and your services. Thanks
for being up so late to share this with us.
amcha (John
Lemberger,AMCHA): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:49PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Before
returnin to bed, I wanted to tell Gary how we appreciated his book. Joey let me
know if there is any way I can read this whole unique venture tomorrow. If anyone
participating wants more info on what I wrote they can contact me, or can see our
report on the Holocaust List or tomorrow (hopefully) on the Second Generation
list.
Good night(morning) and thank you from Israel.
Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 6:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Our next Speaker is scheduled for 10:00
PM EST, 7:00 PM PST Dr. Konnilyn Feig
Topic: Researching and Teaching the Holocaust
***Dr. Konnilyn Feig
After more than 20 years of extensive research, interviewing survivors, and
visiting concentratrion camp sites, Dr. Konnilyn Feig published one of the best
documentaries of the Holocaust, HITLER'S DEATH CAMPS (Holmes & Meir, 1979). Since
her work on the concentration camps, she has served as International Co-Chair of
ARWAC - Aid to Refusnik Women and Children - a successful effort to get Prisoners
of Conscience out of Old USSR. She is now a specialist in Eastern Europe,
especially former Yugoslavia, and Romania and has spent parts of most of the past 10 years in Russia, the Chech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia, etc. She spent much time this past summer in Romania, Croatia, Bosnia. She is currently directing a volunteer project in Romania on Breast Cancer Assistance.
Dr. Feig still teaches the only Holocaust class in the 110 California Community Colleges and will have a WEB page on that soon. She recently led two sessions on the Holocaust for the National Conference on Humanities of the Community Colleges.
Dr. Konnilyn Feig is Dean of Business and Social Sciences and Professor of
History and Political Science at Foothill College, Los Altos Hills, Ca.
Formerly, she was Senior VP of San Francisco State University amd Dean of Arts
and Sciences at University of Southern Maine.
Dixie Rose (): .
. . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I don't want the sins of the
fathers to be the sins of the children anymore than I want the children of the
victims to suffer as their parents did. But I want them to understand what
happened and to see it was wrong. I don't want them to feel guilty - there is a
difference between guilt and shame. They don't need to feel guilt but they must
realize this was a shameful period in their country's history - and they must
realize why it was shameful.
Joey Korn (A
Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I'll be in
touch, John. Thanks again.
Dr.K.Feig (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,
6:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I am here now. Anytime you are ready.
Jutka (survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I would have liked to ask those young people "do you think Germany was defeated
or liberated on May 8, 1945." Depending on the answer one could have easily
judged how they REALLY felt about the Nazi period in theirr country's history.
Blaze5 (Shalom): . . . .
Tue, Apr 16, 6:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
People tell me that I'm strange to
believe in reincarnation, but I can't exactly explain why I think I am. I guess
because the pictures in books seem so familiar, and the people -- I know deep in
my heart, I was there in the camps with other Holocaust victims. I believe I was
there -- I know I was. My sorrow seems to be more deeply rooted than others
around me, and not just because of the horror and sadness of it all -- I was
there and I want everyone to know that it did happen. How could something this
horrible and unforgettable not happen? The ignorance of people today angers me
because they close their ears, they close their hearts, to the truth. They don't
want to believe that it really happened.
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