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April 16, 1996
Gary Mokotoff

As with many WebChats, the typos are ours. The chat continues while Gary Mokotoff triesto get through some heavy traffic on the Internet. As he arrives, Children of Survivor questions are answered.

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Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Our next speaker is a child of survivorswho has written a book on HOW TO DOCUMENT VICTIMS AND LOCATE SURVIVORS OF THEHOLOCAUST. Gary Mokotoff has documented over 200 members of his family whoperished in the Holocaust. Most people seem to think it is impossible to learnabout their lost families. Gary proves that this is not true.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Asstated before, you combat indifference with education,Can you make people care? That's another story

King of Insanity(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
What are we discussing

ANadine(ANadine): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
How do we combatindifference? Can we? How can we make people care?

ungvar(Always remember . . . Always): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:05PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I think there must be a balance. When anyone's adgenda is overt destruction ofthe bodies and souls of others, it is legitimate for societies to set limits vialaws. The problem is knowing where to draw the line over which rhetoric andaction must not cross.

geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:06PMPDT (-0700 GMT)
"Can you make people care?" Of course. Most of the peoplein America belong to some ethnic group that has been bitterly persecuted at sometime in the past. They will respond strongly if proof of an injustice committedis put before them.

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,4:08PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey Korn, here's chuck, been lost for an hour

VIPERMAN3 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
HELLO ALL WOULD ANY ONE LIKE TO HERE THE GRANDPARENTS STORIES OF THE HOLCOST

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Notreceiving over

ungvar (Always remember . . . Always): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Perhaps the media could serve tohighlight the heroes, righteous individuals, who speak out and say no to hate anddestruction. If those that speak out are "desirable models" that the majority offolks could identify with and if they show their, heroism, or at leastanti-hatred beliefs, it may serve as a model for others to emultate.

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:10PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hi Chuck. Tried to call you and theline was busy so I figured you were trying to get in. We've been having a gooddiscussion about whether to debate deniers or not, whether to control hate groupsor not. Why don't you share you're opinions?

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Ofcourse we must debat them . Can't control hate groups. But let them know that weknow they lie a lot

mumm (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:15PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
hello

geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:15PMPDT (-0700 GMT)
The media is afraid to have opinions very much differentfrom those of the average American. Do not put your trust in the media. Besides, it is we the people who are truly to blame. Peter Jennings can not beexpected to bring around an entire nation.

CVFchuckf (): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 4:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Should these nuts just be ignored? Notby me!

Cschmidt (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,4:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I thought one of the accepted ways of dealing withthem is to simply ignore them.

DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:17PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
amen to that geopolit

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:17PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Ungvar, your message keeps repeating. You may have to delete your old message and send a new one.Nadine, good to see you.

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,4:17PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Ungvar I agree with you. The people have to hear muchmore about those who uphold democratic priciples and are against Neo_nazis andother extreme right-wing ideoligies. There are all sorts of coalitions beingbuilt to that effect. But who is going to educate THE MEDIA to do not jus whatprofitable i.e the sensational but to do "the right thing."

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 4:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
geopolit, I don't think the media is afraid, theyjust have time to do a good job. PBS is where its at.

ungvar(Always remember . . . Always): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I think there must be a balance. When anyone's adgenda is overt destruction ofthe bodies and souls of others, it is legitimate for societies to set limits vialaws. The problem is knowing where to draw the line over which rhetoric andaction must not cross.

Gary Mokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,4:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Good evening, folks!

savta (savta):. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
G'day from Australia. I prefernot to debate with deniers,however they must be constantly challenged. For example wediscovered that David Irving had planted some of his nastystuff on an Australian Library Bulletin Board, that sameBoard soon had an article describing the construction of theGas Chambers!Sorry I probably won't have time to participate again. Goodluck with the projectShalomSavta

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,4:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
People have to get involved, just like anything else,leave to others, nothing happens

geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 4:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Well, Jutka, I don't think the media is all bad. Almost everything that I, for instance, know about the Holocaust, I learned fromreading what journalists or scholars wrote about it. And I certainly am notindifferent to the Holocaust.

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hi Gary. See you got in. Welcome.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Whynot Peter Jennings? There was a time when Walter Cronkite was more believed thanthe president. No chuck has a good point. Let the groups or individuals outthere know that WE know.

ANadine(ANadine): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yikes! We all seemto be repeating. At least it repeated a valid point! :)

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I spoke to a group at a Synagog last night 50-60- people, they all felteveryone who cares must keep getting the word out. The Nazis did it so I'mproving they did it.

ungvar (Always remember . . . Always): . .. . Tue, Apr 16, 4:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I hope that my messages are nolonger repeating. If they are, please advise.

DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:24PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
after posting amd if it iterupts and returns delete post asmentioned earlier

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:25PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
Gary, I'm very curious as to how you were able to get so muchinfo on you family.My wife has been trying for years with VERY little results.

geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Very well, ELF, butwhat do we know? How many people have taken the time, for instance, to reallyread John Loftus' books thoroughly? How many Jews, even, have really read Loftusthoroughly? If we are not well-educated, how can we educate others?

DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 4:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
post and don't force it let the post comeitself

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:27PM PDT (-0700GMT)
I am a survivor who doesn't even know the birth-year of my parents orthe city or town they were born in. So how do I begin my search?

ANadine(ANadine): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:28PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Jennings is notCronkite. Society today views journalists as having little integrity. Thosedays are gone.

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,4:31PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary - can you guide me where I might find peoplealive today who were atMauthausen and at Foehrenwald DP camp near Munich. I am hoping to find peoplewho knew the parents of Betty personally - we are searching for her mother.

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:31PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Onthe 'net go to alt. revisionism if you want to really see hate and bigotry.

Joey Korn (A CybraryModerator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Some hints tochatting...Try setting your Refresh Rate at about 30. This means it will capturenew messages every 30 seconds.When you see some messages you want to read and possibly respond to, hit PAUSE. Also hit PAUSE before you begin typing your message.If your message stays in the chat box after you successfully send it, delete itor it will be resent.You can always hit Reload (in Netscape) to Refresh on demand. Other browsersprobably have a similar feature.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 4:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Well, geo, I for one have'nt had the chance toread his book, yet, however does that mean I'm any less educated about what'sgoing on?No, I dont think so. I serve in the US Navy right now, and my shipmates alwaysask me about the very things we've been talking about.

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:33PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Simon Wiesenthal was there, contact his office in Vienna

ungvar(Always remember . . . Always): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:34PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I must go. I hope to rejoin later on. Gary, I enjoy your postings on JewishGen.

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:34PMPDT (-0700 GMT)
Of course the media is not all bad. That's not what I meant.They do talk about the Holocaust. What I did mean is that I wish they wouldreport as much about those who oppose hate and hatred as they do about the hatersand hate-mongers.

geopolit (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:35PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Chuck, I believe that almost everyone in America knows what the Nazis did. However, there are a sizable minority of people who think that what the Nazis didwas, at least, "understandable". Because they sympathize with the Nazis' goals(stamping out communism, etc.), they try to give the Nazis an alibi. In the sameway, a wife would alibi for her husband that "He didn't kill the policeman, hewas at home with me at the time the murder was committed."

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:36PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
How's it going,Joey?

Joey Korn (ACybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:36PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hope to seeyou later ungvar. I think Gary is still trying to get a good connection.

Cschmidt (): .. . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Jutka, I agree. We had a programwith an actual interview with a member of a nearby hategroup--given ample timeduring prime hours.

PianoHT (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:38PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
I don't mean to but in, but what are we talking about?

PianoHT (): . . . . Tue,Apr 16, 4:39PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
hello?

Dixie Rose (): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 4:39PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I don't see any special theme runningthrough here so could I ask a question?

CVFchuckf (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:40PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
sorry, I don't agree everyone knows whatthe Nazis did.

JoeyKorn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:40PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
It's good Chuck. Finally got this chat session working fairly smoothly. Ithink we're all trying to figure it out.BTW, everyone, Chuck is a liberator. He was a pilot during the war and workshard to get his message out.

PianoHT (): . . . . Tue,Apr 16, 4:41PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
sure.

CVFchuckf (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:42PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thge theme is the Holocaust

Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Iknow the theme is the Holocaust - what I meant was everyone seemed to be talkingabout different things so could I throw a question out to the group?

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:45PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Today we commemorate the Shoah. Let's talk about those who perished. I want tomention a few Women of Valor to start with. Those who died while fighting: ZeniaMelcki of Vilna. Sonia Madeysker also of Vilna. Evelyn Kahn, Vilna.Hannah Szeneshand her mother Katherine Szenes, Budapest and Palestine. Susan Beer of Toplcany,Czech. Anna Heilman, Warsaw. Estusia Wajcblum. Rose Meth, Zator, Poland. Thisit for now. You know here in Canada that is what we do. Read THY names on YomHaShoah.

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:46PM PDT (-0700GMT)
Shoot, Rose

JoeyKorn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:46PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sure Dixie, go right ahead. Our next speaker begins in 15 minutes. Then wewill be discussing how to document victims and locate survivors of theHolocaust.

mumm (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:48PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I need to ask what happened to John Loftus?

staci-p (): .. . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:49PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hi I'm 12.Is any1 here relativesof survivors<

staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:50PM PDT (-0700GMT)
Go ahead Dixie

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:50PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sure Dixie, go right ahead. Our nextspeaker begins in 15 minutes. Then we will be discussing how to document victimsand locate survivors of the Holocaust.

DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:53PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
is anyone here?

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 4:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
weird outfit, this. Dixie lets hear yourquestion

Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:53PM PDT (-0700GMT)
I would agree with Jutka - and like to read a few names myself - Altaand Pini Fink and their young sons, David and Jude, Yeheskal Rotstein, RosaRotstein and her family, Menia Amsterdamski - all of Kalwarija, Lithuania.

staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yeapeople are here dink

Hickchick (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:53PMPDT (-0700 GMT)
My favorite quote. "Rage against the dying of the light.There is hope." -Dylan Thomas. I think that says it all. A lot of people didn'tloose their hope throught this ordeal.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue,Apr 16, 4:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sorry, I was out of it for a while. My sonneeded help with his home work.

staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hickchick I heard that on Dangerous Minds

Hickchick (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:56PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Staci-p, you are right. It is from apoem. I saw it on the end of a video.

GMokotoff (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:56PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hopefully, I am back on

Joey Korn (A CybraryModerator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:56PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
mumm, John Loftuswas here for the first hour. He had a speech to give and had to leave. GaryMokotoff is trying to connect right now.

Jutka (Survivor): . .. . Tue, Apr 16, 4:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Roza Robota / Regina Saperstein /Genia Fischer/ Estusia Wajcblum. On Oct. 7, 1994 they blew up one of thecrematoria in Auschwitz_Birkenau. Later they were all caught and hung. Blessedbe their memories.

Hickchick (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:58PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Jutka, may your heart heal and feel the lovve of the people here.

Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:58PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Myquestion - I attended a conference on the Holocaust the last few days - I cameaway with the feeling we are being asked to forgive and forget. Is that just meor is that a general theme lately?

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue,Apr 16, 4:58PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
millions died, don't forget them

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey - as Gary is about to come on line - are you storinginformation which we could retrieve at a later stage?I meand addresses - hints - suggestions which may come up in the discussion.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary,did you get my first question by any chance?

writething (Michael Dunn): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I managed to make it back online, someinfo on our second speaker,Gary Mokotoff, who will be here from 8-9 PM EST. Gary Mokotoff is author of "Howto Document Victims and Locate Survivors of the Holocaust" (Teaneck: New Jersey,Avotaynu, 1995), the only book designed to help people locate information aboutrelatives and friends who were caught up in the Holocaust. He is the pastpresident of the Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies and publisher ofAvotaynu, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy. Mokotoff commented that"even today, 50 years after the Holocaust, people are still trying to determinethe fate of loved ones. Few realize that there is a wealth of informationavailable; you just have to know where to find it."

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Forgive and forget. NEVER!!!

Hickchick (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,4:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Don't ever forget. There memories are all thatsurvive. how could you forgive? I have a very forgiving heart, but not forthis.

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:00PM PDT (-0700GMT)
Gisi Fleischman / Haika Grossman / Rozka Korcak-Marle / Zivia Lubetkin/Haviva Reik / Franceska Mann/ . Please add your names, so we can collectivelyall remember their names.

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:01PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Welcome Gary.Gary Mokotoff is our next speaker. He is author of "How to Document Victims andLocate Survivors ofthe Holocaust" (Teaneck: New Jersey, Avotaynu, 1995), the only bookdesigned to help people locate information about relatives and friends whowere caught up in the Holocaust. He is the past president of theAssociation of Jewish Genealogical Societies and publisher of Avotaynu, theInternational Review of Jewish Genealogy. Mokotoff commented that "eventoday, 50 years after the Holocaust, people are still trying to determinethe fate of loved ones. Few realize that there is a wealth of informationavailable; you just have to know where to find it."

Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:02PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
You saw my list of family - those I will never know - I can't forgive orforget and wonder why there is such a movement.

CVFchuckf ():. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:02PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
We have to keep talking aboutit, teaching about it. Never let the issue die

Jutka(Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:02PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Is Gary on now?

Joey Korn (A CybraryModerator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, are you stillwith us.Elf, why don't you repeat your question?

Hickchick (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
They will truly die when the names arenot spoken and the terriable tragity is not taught.

CVFchuckf(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
We have to keep talkingabout it, teaching about it. Never let the issue die

ELF5808(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey, did thisguy,"thrascan" ever leave? I still have him blocked.

writething (Michael Dunn): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hi David, I'm saving all of the talkentered here and will post a Web page next month at the Cybrary with the entiredialogue online.

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, as a survivor I don't even know my parents's birth year. Not evensure of their bithplaces in Hungary. So how do I start?

DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:04PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
As a non Jew of German descent I was was involve thru my parentsat our local German Club, my grandparents came over at the turn of the century. I asked some of the German wahrmach soldiers if there were people that did notknow what was going on. They would say with some distain "everyone knew whatwas going on"!As we were talking about media earlier...I read that it couldn't happen againbecause mass media would not let it because the media would produce mass public outcry. But look at Cambodia , Bosnia, Rowanda etc. One sure wonders no?

Hickchick (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:05PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
*gane*

staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:06PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Jutka I Have to do a paper on Anne Frank Did any1 konow any relatives ofhers?

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:06PM PDT (-0700GMT)
Here in Toronto, I tried the Mormons' archives but without the exactinformation needed I could find: zilch.

Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:07PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
But Dink - the difference between the Holocaust andBosnia, Cambodia, etc. - is the systematic destruction of a people considerednonhuman - an entire people - not for land or power or food - just because of whowe are.

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Where is Gary with the anticipated answers?

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary received you question, Jutka, andis trying to respond. Thanks for your patience.

DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:10PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
DIXIE ROSE I understand that and please nop offense. My onlypoint is that genocide still can happen anywhere and it cannot be neglected.

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:10PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thedeniers are working very hard to dis-prove the Holocaust ever happened.

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:10PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Regarding Hungarian research, if you do not know where your parents were born,write to Dr. Gaby Bar Shakad; Yad Vashem; JerusalemIsrael. Dr. Bar Shaked is the world's expert on the Hungarianaspect of the Holocaust. He will be able to help you determineyour parents' ancestral town.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Oops! forgot to pause. As I was saying, My wife istrying to locate her lost family. She has been trying for years through all the"usual" channels.Is ther any thing more you can suggest?

Lovecam (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Dixie I understand your statement, but I think whopeople are has alot to do with it. Not only land or power. The holocaust was alsoabout power and land

Lovecam (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:13PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Dixie I understand your statement, but I think whopeople are has alot to do with it. Not only land or power. The holocaust was alsoabout power and land

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:13PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
While we wait for Gary, let's remember more names. Zofia Yamaika / Mala Zimetbaum / Zivia Lubetkin /Gertrud Kolmar.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:14PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Someof the avenues she tried, the Red Cross, took over 3 years.there has got to be a better way.

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue,Apr 16, 5:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Therer are many records of Hungarian victimsand survivors. Invariably theGerman records asked "where were you born." If Dr. Bar Shakadcan find records of them, you will know their ancestral town.

Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Lovecam - no offense, but where the Jews wereconcerned it was not about land or power - that came into play where the Russiansand Poles were concerned.

CVFchuckf (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
the Holocaust is unique

mumm (): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 5:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, I would like to know how totrace relatives that were lost in Vilna, Poland. Thanks.

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:17PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Therer are many records of Hungarian victims andsurvivors. Invariably theGerman records asked "where were you born." If Dr. Bar Shakadcan find records of them, you will know their ancestral town.

staci-p (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
bye have to eat

mumm (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, I would like toknow how to trace relatives that were lost in Vilna, Poland. Thanks.

Jutka (Survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thank you very much Gary. I made a hard copy of your suggestion and I shallfollow it up. Let's hope that Yad Vashem will be receptive to my question.Previous dealings with them left me at best: frustrated. But, to you manythanks.

writething (Michael Dunn): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Joey, if Gary can email his thoughts,either I or you canpost it to help out. California's phone system are hurting; if he's inthere, it may be tough for a little while.

David Lewin(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Staci - there is a newBritish documentary about Anne Frank which won an Oscar last month. You could trycontacting the BBC - they are on the World Wide Web.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Is Gary still withus?

DINK_ (lurking): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:21PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thank you everyone. The session wasinteresting and informative. I believe you have a new medium that you can useto reach out to others. Thanks again. Sincerely, DINK

Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:21PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary - My great grandmother's name was given on mygrandfather's death certificate as Matulsky - unfortunately, no one know if thatwas her maiden name or first married name. I can find no record of the nameanywhere in the area she was supposed to have lived. I have even triedvariations of it - what next?

DINK_ (lurking): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:22PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
Good night.

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 5:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary - have you any addresses to locate peoplestill alive who were at
a. Mauthausen
b. Foehrenwald DP camp.

An earlier suggestion was to contact Simon Wiesenthal, which I will dotomorrow.

DixieRose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary - I haveto run - pick my daughter up at scouts - will be back in fifteen minutes or so -please wait until I get back to answer my question. Thanks.

Lovecam (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
What is going on with this system? Everone's statements occurred 4 times. Dixie, Hitler wanted power over the humanrace. And he wanted everyone to be blonde and have blue eyes.

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 5:25PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary still can't connect. He willanswer questions through me.The Mormons have no Holocaust related information except the 1938 German Censusof non-aryans (Jews).Elf, most of the records that the Red Cross searched for you are available at YadVashem Archives in Jerusalem known as the "Arolesen records".

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Is Gary still withus?

Lovecam ():. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Stuart? My family has a Reiterin it.

mumm (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:28PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
David, do you have the www site for theBBC?

Joey Korn (ACybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:28PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary saysthese Arolsen records are one of the major sources of information aboutindividuals. There are over 45 million entries. If you are looking for asurvivors of Mauthausen for instance, it may show what refugee camp he was in andeven which country he went to.

David Lewin (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
mumm - and any one else - I dare notmake a search - connection is too sporadic and I want to stay here.please send me an e-mail which will give me your address - I will then send youthe details you want.mine is davidlewin@easynet.co.ukthe bbc address might be button butI am not certain right now.

Joey Korn (For GaryMokotoff): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:33PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary says that ifany of you do not get satisfactory answers to your questions, write him atgarymokotoff@avotaynu.comI will continue posting his answers.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue,Apr 16, 5:34PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thanks Joey, My wife has tried Yad Vashem,and Arolesen. Actually I wished she were here, she went to a Yom Hashoahpresentation.The names of her family are difficult to locate, even in Vilna, (her family'sorigin). The best she has achieved, is when a lady fromour town went to Vilna and got info for her, and hand writen at that. She can'tseem to make headway in locating any potential survivors.

Joey Korn (For Gary Mokotoff): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:35PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary says that if anyone is havingproblems with the American Red Cross, if they refuse to accept your inquiry oryou have an inquiry pending that is taking more than a year, write to him. Hecan help you get action.

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:38PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sorry - the correct address for the BBC is button

Marine1 (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:38PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
HI,folks. Is this the HolocaustConvention thing?

JoeyKorn (For Gary Mokotoff): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:38PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
There are recently discovered Vilna Ghetto records, but all that it's goingto prove is that people were in the ghetto during that time period.To Gary's knowledge, there are no deportation records from the Vilna ghetto. Have you tried Pages of Testimony at Yad Vashem?

Joey Korn (For Gary Mokotoff): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:41PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yes Marine1. Welcome. Gary Mokotoff isour speaker for 20 more minutes. He specializes in tracing relatives lost in theHolocaust.

writething (Michael Dunn): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:42PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Could Gary make a suggestion on thisquestion submitted to the Cybrary?"I am looking for information and facts on the execution of 9 people in NorthHolland (Steenwijk).This execution took place on the 13th of October 1944. One of these man was myfather, Emanuel Verveer age 35 year, Construction Engineer and Architect, who wasengaged by the Allies to regather data on the so-called Ijsel-linie. Onlyrecently we received some information onthe situation and activities of the SS, in that area in those days near the endof the war in Holland.Even-though, my father was executed together with the others, all were localpeople and my father was not. We (my brothers and I) would like to know: whatcaused his arrest and who betrayed him,what happened to the betrayer (local NSB ?) after the war, who operated myfather, and why was the Ijsel-linie never used. If there is more information onthese subjects, we very appreciateto know where and how to find them. email_addr: [A HREF="button

mikemesh (Mike Mesh):. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:43PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary: Is it true that theInternational Tracing Service in Arolsen gives genealogicalsearches lowest priority (I've had a request in for 3+ years). And there's arumor they'regoing out of business. True? If so, what will happen to their records?

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sorry - the correct address for the BBC is button

Marine1 (): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Interesting. I just saw it featured andthought I'd drop by. I know almost next to nothing about the Holocaust,so....

GMokotoff(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:45PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
The best starting point fortracing people are the International Tracing Service (ITS) recordsin Arolsen, Germany. There are more than 45 million records. They can beaccessed thru the Red Cross in your country. If you are in theU.S., the American Red Cross has made a commitment to me thatno inquiry will be turned down and no inquiry will take more than 9 months.A duplicate copy of these records thru 1955 exist at Yad Vashem on microfilm.

UWash (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:45PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I cameto learn. Sorry to be late. Can one still find relatives 50 years later? Ifyes, exactly how?

mumm (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:47PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
Does Yad Vashem have a web page or would I have to go thruWiesenthal?

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 5:48PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
There are rumors that the ITS records might beturned over tothe Jewish community in Germany but some groups are protestingthat move, if it planned. Yad Vashem, for example, would be interestedin assuming responsibilty for those records.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:48PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
We've tried the pages of testimony, nothing. It's like her family just did'ntexist.is'nt ther anything else we can try???

Marine1 (): . . . . Tue,Apr 16, 5:49PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Well,I'll sign off. I don't want to disturbpeople who actually have questions......*gone*

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 5:49PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
No Red Cross or the ITS will honor a genelaogicalinquiry. Itmust be a genuine request for information about a relative,no matter how related. They have too many inquiries for relativesto honor genealogical inquiries.

Marmor (Marmor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:50PM PDT (-0700 GMT)

Joey Korn (For Gary Mokotoff): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 5:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Mike, Gary didn't see your post. Couldyou repost?

Marmor (Marmor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,5:52PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hello,I have been trying to get in for a long time.

amcha (John Lemberger,AMCHA): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 5:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Friends,I have woken up to join you in this uniqe venture. Yom Hashoa is over now inIsrael, and I thought you might want to know how it went this year.

Dixie Rose (): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 5:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I'm back - Does one have to go throughthe American Red Cross now? The first time I tried, I went to Arolsen. It tooka few months, and while they found nothing on most of my family, they did findrecords of my one cousin's death at Dachau. With all the new records sufacing, Iwould like to try again.

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Ok, here's the really real real BBC address: button

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 5:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Regarding the Holland inquiry, write to TheJewish genealogical society in Holland.They will put you in contact with some organization there thatcan help you. Their address is: Nederlandse Kring voor Joodse Genealogie; daCostalaan 21;3743 HT Baarn, Holland. I know the Dutch government is makinga conscientious effort to determine what happened toindividuals during the Holocaust and is reconstructing eventsfrom captued German records.

Joey Korn (ACybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
WelcomeMarmor and John. The posting is slow, but once you get used to it, it does work.I'll post some hints again soon to make things easier.

ELF5808 (): .. . . Tue, Apr 16, 5:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, as a last resort, when allelse fails what more can one do to find info about missing relatives, inVilna.

GMokotoff(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:00PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
To determine what recordsexist at Yad Vashem, try to locate in your area aseries of books called "Guide to the Unpublished Material of theHolocaust." It list by town or country what documents they haveabout events durng that period.The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum archives and library isaccessible on the Web at button Fromthis home page,it will lead you to their on-line search system that willtell you if they have records of interest to you.

Joey Korn (A CybraryModerator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:00PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
John, we would bevery interested to hear about how it went in Israel. Gary's session officiallyends about now. It will be an open chat on Holocaust issues until Konnilyn Feigbegins in one hour.To the group, Gary will stay with us a while to answer any questions you may haveabout tracing family.

BChesler(BChesler): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary, My cousin wasable to find out that our grandmother perished in Theresienstadt. We even have acopy of the record.One of her daughters was living with her. How would I go about getting info?

Jutka (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:05PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Marine1, Why don't you visit the Holocaust Museum In Washington, if you liverealatively close. You will learn what it was all about plus some more. It willbe worth your while and time I assure you.]

GMokotoff(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:08PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Regarding ELF's inquiryabout Vilna, I am not sure where Vilna residentswere deported to, but if it was Auschwitz, the Auschwitz Archives has recordsof may people who survived the selection. Write to them at:Panstwowe Muzeum; POB 32-603; Oswiecim #5, Poland

BChesler(BChesler): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:08PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
My question is, howwould I get info about the daughter, my aunt.We know nothing about what happened to her.

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 6:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
To BChesler: There is a "TotenbuchTheresienstadt." a Death Book for Theresienstadt.See if the daughter is listed there. But your best bet are theITS (Arolsen) records I have mentioned because all the informationin that book, plus any other Theresienstadt records would havebeen extracted in to the ITS index of 45 million entries.

Sighet (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
If general questionsare okay, I would like to know about the presence of all the Hate Sites andAnti-Semetic Sites on the Web - and if everyone agrees with the Simon WiesenthalCenter that they should be censored?

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:14PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thanks, for theinfo. Do you by any chance have any info for Shtuthoff camp as well?

BChesler (BChesler): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I joined you late, had trouble getting on. How does one access the ITSrecords?

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 6:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I am very opposed to censorhsip. One fascinatinganti-Semitic site is in Hawaiiwhere you can get a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I don't havetheir Web address handy, but you should be able to locate them with any Websearch engine such as AltaVista

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 6:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I hope I spelled that right?

amcha (John Lemberger,AMCHA): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 6:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Now that Joey "welcomed" me,I'llcontinue (slowly).This year the war in Lebanon was fighting the memory for a place in ourconsciousness. the images of Jews being forced into shelters, leaving KiryatShmona and other towns and villages, katyushas falling and sometimes causingextensive damage and some serious injuries vied for our attempts to "touch thememory." Nevertheless, ceremonies were held all over with massive attendance. Themedia alost aired all the special programs for this day, and the siren at 10 AMTuesday cut the air like a knife and saw Israel coming to a standstill.

GMokotoff(): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
As another generalguideline, contact any Jewish genealogical societyfor help in Holocaust research. If you write to rweissjgs@aol.com, you can getthe name and address of the society closest to you.

Sighet ():. . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Another question. This countrywas stunned with the movie, Schindler's List. And yet, there have been manyother movies and better ones. Does this mean that every decade we have torelearn about the Holocaust, that it is never done. I wonder. We do not seem tohave to relearn about the Civil War every ten years. What do you think?

Joey Korn (A CybraryModerator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sighet, generalquestions are welcome. Gary Mokotoff's session officially ended at 9:00 EST, buthe has generously agreed to continue answering questions. Our next speakerbegins at 10:00 EDST, in about 40 minutes.I am also against censorship in the Internet. I feel that the Wiesenthal Centeris wrong in this regard.

Dixie Rose (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,6:21PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I hope we relearn about the Holocaust more than everyten years - I hope we never forget - I hope we never let anyone forget.

amcha (JohnLemberger,AMCHA): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
As I do notsee a response, I'll continue.OK?

Sighet (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 6:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I wish it were a question of never forgetting. When highschool students in Oakland saw the movie, Schindlers List, they allbroke out laughing in the theatre. Neither they nor their paarents knew aboutit. I am asking if you really think the problem is forgetting - or if it isabout ever learning in the first place?

Jutka (): . . . . Tue,Apr 16, 6:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Sighet, In a perfect world we would not haveto do more then say Kaddish over the perished millions and mourn them quietly. But look at the world today. Dare we forget and dare we not remind the world ofthe unimaginable evil human(?)kind is capable of. Maybe it will help. Maybe itwill not. But we have to keep trying and trying and trying.

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 6:25PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
John, I did respond and would be veryinterested to hear what went on in Israel. We have about 1/2 hour beforeKonnilyn Feig's session begins. Please feel free to post anything relevant.

Dixie Rose (): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 6:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I saw a movie at a Holocaustconference over the weekend on the children of survivors and the children ofNazis coming together in Israel. Has anyone else seen this? I believe it wasmade by the BBC.

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:27PMPDT (-0700 GMT)
I have a friend who for many years regularly trabvelled bycar from London to Budapest.When he passed Mauthausen he always broadcast Kaddish and El Male Rachamim overhisCB radio.

Sighet (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:28PM PDT (-0700GMT)
In the NYSunday Times Magazine of 2/25,29, there was a long article andpictures of "The Method of a Neo-Nazi Mogul." It described George Burdi as "anarchetype of the forward-looking neo-Nazi" and bringing it to mainstream Americathrough his Resistance Records and the Internet. What can we do to counteractthis? What is being done? Should we bother?

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 6:28PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Regarding the inquiry about Stutthof...all roadslead to the ITS records inArolsen, Germany. Every scrap of inromation about individuals, survivors andvictimshas been given to them for placement in their Master Index.My information shows they have much data about people internedat Stutthof.

ELF5808 (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:29PM PDT (-0700GMT)
Well, I got to go... Thank you Gary and John, this was veryeducational. Hope there'll be more like this. Gary, My wife and I enjoyAvotaynu every time we get it.Take care, and G-d bless.

GMokotoff (): . . . . Tue, Apr16, 6:30PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Well, I must leave now, folks. If you wish, sendme e-mail atgarymokotoff@avotaynu.com. Indicate what searching you have done to dateso I can advise you with either basic sources or more advanced ones.

Sighet (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Iappreciate the need for people to find people, but I thought this session wouldbe more "pithy." But thanks for trying. I will leave quietly.

BChesler (BChesler): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Thank YouGary. Goodnight

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:33PMPDT (-0700 GMT)
The BBC programme about children od survivers meetingchildren of Nazis was most moving. It took place in Israel under guidance of anIsraeli Psychiatrist. I am sorry, I do not remember his name.It was remarkable how the children of Nazis were suffering - a real eye openerfor me.

Kel (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:35PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
hello....

Jutka (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:36PM PDT (-0700GMT)
I believe that censorship would only work if it is based on aninternational agreement and all countries would adhere to it.

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 6:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hello Kel. Welcome.

amcha (John Lemberger,AMCHA): .. . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Yom Hashoa began for us on SundayApril 14. Ben Gurion University awarded honorary doctorates to Simon Weisenthal,Joseph Burg, and Felix Zandman, a survivor and president/founder of VishayInternational. the moving ceremony was highlighted by Zandman's explaining thathe had cried and suffered for years until he testified at a trial of an SSofficer who persecuted him and whom Weisenthal brought to justice. Then at areception ath the Austrian ambassador's residence for Weisenthal, cohosted byAMCHA,Manfred Klafter "awarded" weisenthal with the title of "honrary therapist,"as his work brought pride and hope to thousands of survivors. Minister of Health,Dr. Ephraim Sneh, who is also a reserve general took time from explaining the warin lebanon on Israeli media to visit our branch in Ramat Gan before Yom Hashoa.He heard survivors tell how they saw our centers a sa second home, and howAMCHA's services brought them out of their depression and gave them a reason tocontinue living. When Yom Hashoa began, right after the ceremony at Yad VashemIsraeli TV broadcast our phone numbers and our hotlines were open. Hundredscalled or attended our programs and activities in our branches in Ramat Gan,Jerusalem, Haifa, Beersheba, and Tel Aviv. I will pause here. If you want me toadd a little more, let me know.

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 6:40PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Gary menioned the Web site earliercontaining a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Here is some info onit.button ---hereyou will find not only a complete copy, but also an introduction and fourappendices "proving" the truth of this forgery as well as the purportedexistence of a conspiracy by the Jews and their accomplices in trying tosuppress this "truth."

Jutka (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:41PMPDT (-0700 GMT)
Yes, Yom Hashoah is remembrance. Not just for the past butalso for the future. "Never Again" pertains to the present and future.

Dixie Rose (): . . .. Tue, Apr 16, 6:41PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
David, I agree they were suffering andit was an eyeopener for me where some of the people were concerned. I very muchfelt the pain of Martin Bormann's son - more than I thought I could. However, Ifelt the pain some of them felt seemed to come across as pain from having lostthe war - and being forced to face things afterward. I suppose that could bebecause we only saw bits and pieces of two weeks in their lives.

Blaze5 (Shalom): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 6:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hello everyone. I'm here to learn all Ican and speak about what I know. I feel a special bond with everyone included inthe Holocaust because (and this may sound a little strange) but I believe that Iam a reincarnated Jewish person that died in the Holocaust. I hope to confirm mybeliefs here.

David Lewin (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:45PM PDT(-0700 GMT)
To me it was a manifestation of the sinns of the fathers beingvisited on the next generation.

Blaze5 (Shalom): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 6:45PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Hello everyone. I'm here to learn all Ican and speak about what I know. I feel a special bond with everyone included inthe Holocaust because (and this may sound a little strange) but I believe that Iam a reincarnated Jewish person that died in the Holocaust. I hope to confirm mybeliefs here.

Blaze5 (Shalom): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 6:47PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
pardon me for that last doublechat..please go on..

JoeyKorn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:47PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
John, I'm sure it was a moving experience, especially the response you getfrom survivors about how they feel about your centers and your services. Thanksfor being up so late to share this with us.

amcha (JohnLemberger,AMCHA): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:49PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Beforereturnin to bed, I wanted to tell Gary how we appreciated his book. Joey let meknow if there is any way I can read this whole unique venture tomorrow. If anyoneparticipating wants more info on what I wrote they can contact me, or can see ourreport on the Holocaust List or tomorrow (hopefully) on the Second Generationlist.Good night(morning) and thank you from Israel.

Joey Korn (A Cybrary Moderator): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 6:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
Our next Speaker is scheduled for 10:00PM EST, 7:00 PM PST Dr. Konnilyn FeigTopic: Researching and Teaching the Holocaust
***Dr. Konnilyn Feig

After more than 20 years of extensive research, interviewing survivors, andvisiting concentratrion camp sites, Dr. Konnilyn Feig published one of the bestdocumentaries of the Holocaust, HITLER'S DEATH CAMPS (Holmes & Meir, 1979). Sinceher work on the concentration camps, she has served as International Co-Chair ofARWAC - Aid to Refusnik Women and Children - a successful effort to get Prisonersof Conscience out of Old USSR. She is now a specialist in Eastern Europe,especially former Yugoslavia, and Romania and has spent parts of most of the past 10 years in Russia, the Chech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia, etc. She spent much time this past summer in Romania, Croatia, Bosnia. She is currently directing a volunteer project in Romania on Breast Cancer Assistance.

Dr. Feig still teaches the only Holocaust class in the 110 California CommunityColleges and will have a WEB page on that soon. She recently led two sessions on the Holocaust for the National Conference on Humanities of the CommunityColleges.

Dr. Konnilyn Feig is Dean of Business and Social Sciences and Professor ofHistory and Political Science at Foothill College, Los Altos Hills, Ca. Formerly, she was Senior VP of San Francisco State University amd Dean of Artsand Sciences at University of Southern Maine.

Dixie Rose (): .. . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I don't want the sins of thefathers to be the sins of the children anymore than I want the children of thevictims to suffer as their parents did. But I want them to understand whathappened and to see it was wrong. I don't want them to feel guilty - there is adifference between guilt and shame. They don't need to feel guilt but they mustrealize this was a shameful period in their country's history - and they mustrealize why it was shameful.

Joey Korn (ACybrary Moderator): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I'll be intouch, John. Thanks again.

Dr.K.Feig (): . . . . Tue, Apr 16,6:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I am here now. Anytime you are ready.

Jutka (survivor): . . . . Tue, Apr 16, 6:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
I would have liked to ask those young people "do you think Germany was defeatedor liberated on May 8, 1945." Depending on the answer one could have easilyjudged how they REALLY felt about the Nazi period in theirr country's history.

Blaze5 (Shalom): . . . .Tue, Apr 16, 6:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT)
People tell me that I'm strange tobelieve in reincarnation, but I can't exactly explain why I think I am. I guessbecause the pictures in books seem so familiar, and the people -- I know deep inmy heart, I was there in the camps with other Holocaust victims. I believe I wasthere -- I know I was. My sorrow seems to be more deeply rooted than othersaround me, and not just because of the horror and sadness of it all -- I wasthere and I want everyone to know that it did happen. How could something thishorrible and unforgettable not happen? The ignorance of people today angers mebecause they close their ears, they close their hearts, to the truth. They don'twant to believe that it really happened.


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